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Post by heknowsyouknow on Aug 23, 2009 16:09:26 GMT
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Post by Chris on Aug 23, 2009 16:52:47 GMT
That looks like the new issue tiger stripe, best be confirmed by one of the guys though that knows for a 100%.
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Post by thumper on Aug 23, 2009 17:11:58 GMT
They are made in BDU or as its calling it M65 configuration. No use at all - other than for Fashionware. basically stay away from anything BDU shaped - or indeed Jungle utilities shaped. (like SOF are trying to Peddle) The other style they (SOF) do are fine for ARVN Marines or ARVN marine advisors. The cam is nicknamed sea wave and is very good - but is wrong (or rather rare ) for most other uses than ARVN Marine corps related. These are also available from National Capitol historical on Ebay ( this is the same cammo pattern that Royal Tiger have copied on their advisor set) More Apropriate for LRRPS / Seals / SF etc is the set sold by Moore Militaria. (which is meant to be very good ) The other option I would look at is the set from Panzerfaust - I Think it is pretty good - but havent had any coroboration on that view yet. Not an expert - but spent a few day reading everything I could find relevent to the stuff available at the mo.  |
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Post by theheath on Aug 23, 2009 20:23:36 GMT
I believe it is possible to get away with wearing the TS jungle fatigues as they are an almost exact copy of the versions worn by Royal Thai forces during the war. That's if you want to portray SOG,5th SFG, anyone who had been attached to the Thai forces or someone who had the money to get a set made up by a tailor in Hong Kong etc etc.
At Beltring last year you could pick up a set from a bloke for 20 quid, the exact same sets which costa are charging 50 quid for.
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Post by thumper on Aug 23, 2009 21:48:37 GMT
One should always stay away from things that were only technically possible - and aim for what was the norm.
Its very easy to end up with everyone wearing what might have been - and no bugger wearing what actually was.
Never wear kit because you want to be differant / or becauase its just about get away withable. there lies the road to farbdom, and all its many sins.
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Post by theheath on Aug 23, 2009 22:45:47 GMT
Oh indeed but there was no norm in vietnam, no two grunts looked alike especially within LRRP and SF units. There was also no uniform camo patterns within teams with guys wearing different camo pattern combos. They wore what they could get hold of. Some teams didn't even wear TS or ERDLs, just simply spraying black spray paint onto a set of fatigues or even dying them black.
There shouldn't be anything to stop someone trying to represent something different as long as it's researched and presented in an authentic way.
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Post by thumper on Aug 24, 2009 9:15:02 GMT
"no two grunts looked alike especially within LRRP and SF units"
Grunts generally do look alike. (within the same unit/timeframe)
there is indeed more variation in Special force units - but you use one of the commonly documented uniforms for the specific unit in question - not one that is within the realms of possibility.
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Post by oggy on Aug 24, 2009 20:24:18 GMT
How about SEALs mixing the patterns (the STONER Gunner wearing Sea Wave Trousers with lighter, less dense top).
SEALs again, the mixture of Tiger Stripes and ERDL within the team.
USMC, mixing ERDL and OG, within units, and often on one bloke...
The Advisor Tiger Stripe was made in Thailand using MDAP funds, so anything available in Thailand over the counter is very likely to match that used for the Advisor Pattern
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Post by thumper on Aug 24, 2009 20:55:44 GMT
If you have several pictures of folks in the unit in question wearing something - then fine and dandy - but just assuming because you want to use it is Wrong.
Grunts do still look the same in the same unit the vast vast majority of the time.
(please note - I did seperate Grunts and special forces in the first place)
And the cut is the no1 problem with the suit in question / wether the material may have beeb used or not.
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Post by thumper on Aug 24, 2009 21:16:21 GMT
Anyway - we know the score with the Moore set and the Sea wave set.
Anybody got opinions / info on the Panzerfaust set ? (the advisor style - not the silly utilities style )
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Post by mikepenver on Aug 24, 2009 22:45:05 GMT
When the Corps adopted the camouflaged jungle utilities in late 1968, the chageover took almost a full year and Marines were allowed to interchange the two uniforms.
I've seen photos of special forces wearing camo jackets and jeans, but not all of them in the same group. Special forces seem to be special in more than one way.
The point is be careful about what you copy and do the research.
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Post by oggy on Aug 25, 2009 8:06:33 GMT
As always Mike - Tiger Stripes seem to attract people the same way that W-SS smocks do! But one of the problems is that there were so many types available!
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Post by mikepenver on Aug 25, 2009 9:10:31 GMT
Here's the jacket of a set I bought many years ago from Tiger Stripe Products in the uS. Sadly they no longer do this style.  I'll post the trousers up a little later when I take a picture. |
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Post by heknowsyouknow on Aug 25, 2009 10:14:53 GMT
nice ...i have opend a can of worms here ..LOL
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Post by thumper on Aug 25, 2009 11:29:26 GMT
"Sadly they no longer do this style" Yes - you do wonder what the sence is in only making stuff thats no use other than fashion - when the market is still here for proper repro. after all you can use "advisor style" for street wear as well. "nice ...i have opend a can of worms here ..LOL " well although we can get ourselves into pointless arguments - hopefully we all end up with a better Idea of the pros and cons of whats out there Not that I can afford any either way  So many uniforms / so little cash  |
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